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1. Can I shoot your +P 380 Auto ammo in my LCP?
2. Can I shoot your +P 45 Colt ammo in my Taurus Judge or my S&W Governor?
3. Do +P loads accelerate the wear on my gun?
4. Will shooting hard cast bullets in Polygonal barrels hurt the barrels?
5. How long will it take UPS to deliver my order?
6. Why are there several different Ballistics Charts for each BBA cartridge?
7. Why do I continue to receive Order Update emails after my order has arrived?
8. FELT RECOIL
9.  "Stopping" bears with handgun or rifle cartridges
10. Why is the shipping cost for 1 or 2 boxes of ammo so high?

1. Can I shoot your +P 380 Auto ammo in my LCP?

 
Yes you can. Gun makers often warn against using any ammo that is not SAAMI spec. and there is no SAAMI spec. for the 380 auto +P cartridge. Gun makers do this to protect themselves from any liability in our super-litigious American society.

Buffalo Bore and others have tested our 380 auto +P ammo in the LCP and many LCP owners currently shoot our +P ammo in their LCPs and we've never heard of any problems from the "power" or "pressure" of the ammo, but obviously the use of +P ammo in these little guns should be limited to just enough to test reliable feeding and point of impact, then carry the ammo in your LCP in the event you need it, but don't go plinking with it.
 

 

2. Can I shoot your +P 45 Colt ammo in my Taurus Judge or my S&W Governor?

 
No. The Judge/Governor is not designed to be strong enough to use +P ammo. If you'd like to use very powerful loads in the Judge/Governor, use any of our Standard Pressure loads found in the 3 links below. These loads are safe to use in ANY 45 Colt firearm and are much more powerful than ordinary 45 Colt ammo. These loads are also much more powerful than the 410 gauge slug loads you can fire in the Judge.
 
  
  

3. Do +P loads accelerate the wear on my gun?

 
Firing any ammo in any gun will wear the gun out eventually. Firing +P ammo in the same gun, will always wear that gun out faster than weaker ammunition would. Just how much faster would depend on many factors and would vary from make and model of firearm and make of +P ammunition.

 

 

4. Will shooting hard cast bullets in Polygonal barrels hurt the barrels?

 
No. Please use the link below to read my short essay on shooting hard cast bullets in polygonal barrels.
 

 

 

5. How long will it take UPS to deliver my order?

 
That depends on where you are having your order shipped to and on which day of the week your order is placed. UPS only ships on Regular Business days Mon - Fri, Excluding Holidays.

Another consideration is that, generally, if the web order is posted by 9:30 AM, MST (Mountain Standard Time), Monday through Friday, excluding holidays, it will very likely be shipped that same day.  If the order is posted after 9:30 AM, MST, Monday through Thursday, excluding holidays, it will very likely be shipped the following day.

If an order is posted on the website on FRIDAY after 9:30 AM MST, on SATURDAY or onSUNDAY, it will not be shipped until the following MONDAY, excluding holidays.

To help you ESTIMATE how long your order should be in transit with UPS once it does ship, click on the link at the bottom for a map with 'UPS In Transit Time' ESTIMATES from Buffalo Bore's Factory in Idaho.  These ESTIMATIONS are quite accurate and are almost always met and sometimes deliveries are even earlier than ESTIMATED but, that does not change the fact that they are ESTIMATES and are NOT PROMISED delivery times.
 

 

6. Why are there several different Ballistics Charts for each BBA cartridge?

Buffalo Bore posts a relatively wide range of Muzzle Velocities and their associated Exterior Ballistic Charts as a courtesy to our customers because we have no way of knowing what kind of gun you will use our ammo in.  Generally, although not always, guns with longer barrels will exhibit higher muzzle velocities than guns with shorter barrels.  
 
It should also be understood, that even two identical guns from the same manufacturer with equal barrel lengths can consistently exhibit different muzzle velocities while using exactly the same kind of ammo out of the same box.  There are several different variables that help determine the final muzzle velocity of each firearm.  We have posted a wide spectrum of muzzle velocities in an attempt to cover the full range of possibilities and even make room for the roguishly-experimental element also; we know you're out there.

It is, of course, up to the customer to determine what the muzzle velocity is out of their own individual gun.  Although there are a couple of different ways to measure muzzle velocity, the most common way is via the use of a 'Ballistics Chronograph.'  Scroll to the bottom for a Google link that shows several different Chronographs and pricing. After firing several rounds and measuring the velocities through a ballistics chronograph you can calculate your average muzzle velocity.  Now you can consult the Exterior Ballistics Charts we provide to more accurately predict what many of your bullet's characteristics will be downrange.  Things like velocity, foot pounds of energy remaining, drop in inches, flight time and even more can be quite accurately predicted at several different distances downrange by referencing the proper Exterior Ballistics Chart in accord with Your particular Muzzle Velocity.

Ballistics Chronographs are relatively inexpensive and much more accurate for the dollar than only a few years ago.  More and more of our customers are acquiring ballistics chronographs, finding their muzzle velocities and then using our Exterior Ballistics Charts to become very well informed gun and ammo users.   Fortunately for us, these folks actually understand what their guns and ammo are doing downrange better than ever before and a well-informed Buffalo Bore Customer is very often a repeat customer as they know first-hand how well their Buffalo Bore Ammo is performing against other ammo and have little need to take a magazine's word or our word for it any longer.

Link:  Ballistic Chronograph

 

7. Why do I continue to receive Order Update emails after my order has arrived?

 Some of our customers are getting multiple 'Order Update' emails after they have already received their order.  This is usually caused by the customer's email system or their service provider's email system being setup with very stringent anti-spam and/or anti-virus software which identifies as 'suspect,' keywords in our email and on our website such as guns, ammo, bore, rifles, ammunition, sales & etc. 

After Buffalo Bore's email and website become suspect, it is common for such email systems to not send confirmations to Buffalo Bore's email server that our email has arrived in their system. In fact, we have just recently (Oct. 2010) been cleared on Verizon.net's vast network as a non-spam entity and will no longer have our confirmations or email blocked.

Many of our customers use their UPS Tracking Numbers to watch the 'UPS In Transit' progress of their orders and depend upon our 'Order Update' emails to get their UPS Tracking Numbers so, we have our servers setup to mail up to 8 messages when it is not getting confirmations back from the customer's email service.  After 8 attempts, the emails stop.

These days Spam-Mail really is a problem so, we do not suggest that you try to change your system's settings; we just hope that those few of you that are experiencing this multiple 'Order Update' problems will simply understand the situation and disregard the repetitive emails as they really do stop.

 

 

 

8. FELT RECOIL

The single most impossible-to-answer question we get is regarding which load/cartridge “kicks” the most.  Felt recoil is highly subjective and there is no formula or definitive number that can be assigned. We can determine free recoil via the laws of Newtonian physics, but “felt” recoil is entirely dependent on many factors that cannot be defined or quantified.

EXAMPLE:

I am CONTINUOUSLY asked about which 44 Mag. or 454 Casull (insert any cartridge) kicks the most. However, if I were to give my opinion, it would be based on my hand shape, hand size, forearm mass and strength, bone density, experience, nervous system, mindset, weight/mass of the handgun, shape of handgun grip and how that fits my hand shape/size, etc, etc, etc. So, what I think I feel in regards to recoil, will vary at least a little, if not a lot, from person to person. Hence, asking any person other than yourself, about how much (felt) some cartridge kicks, is entirely pointless. This means that the only way to know what you will feel is to get the ammo in question and fire it in the gun in question. Many, many times I have informed a shooting partner that “this load/gun combination doesn’t kick at all”, only to have that person cringe in pain upon firing the first round and then refuse to shoot it anymore………

EXPERIENCE TRUMPS FEAR

Further, I am convinced that folks, who are concerned about felt recoil, need to get out and shoot more, until they are so familiar with the recoil that they no longer think about it as a factor in their decision making. Free recoil and how it translates to felt recoil, in modern sporting arms is not a scary thing once we experience it and take the mystery/fear out of it. There is no substitute for experience.

Good shooting and God bless,
Tim

 

 

9.  "Stopping" bears with handgun or rifle cartridges

“Stopping” bears with handgun or rifle cartridges

I get asked about this OFTEN. Having killed dozens of bear and guided hunters for dozens more, I have firsthand knowledge. Additionally, I have been hanging around bear guides all my adult life and between us, we’ve seen over a thousand bears killed. We have come to some consensus on the best tools and methods of killing bears with guns.

GRIZZLY BEARS

➤  First, not all bears are the same. Grizzly bears have a much different mindset than the black bear species. To stop a grizzly attack, you will PROBABLY have to kill it, but sometimes all you have to do is to hurt it badly and the bear will become dissuaded. So, when planning to stop grizzly attacks, it is best to use a cartridge that will kill it—the quicker the better. Interior grizzlies normally get no bigger than 500 lbs, but in Montana, I’ve seen interior bears around 900 lbs., but this is very rare.  Coastal grizzlies, sometimes known as Alaskan Brown Bears, often exceed 1000 lbs.

➤  If you are relying on shoulder or heart/lung shots to kill such a bear, it takes a lot of cartridge. One that will make a big hole that goes very deeply through bone and into internal organs. If you hit him fatally in the chest area, you will then have roughly 15 to 30 seconds to stay alive before the bear learns he is dead. 

➤  If you are relying on brain shots, it is not all that hard to kill adult grizzly bears. Almost any center fire cartridge of 357 bore or larger with a very hard non-expanding, flat nosed bullet will pierce a bears skull with direct /frontal (between the eyes) hits. From the side angle, shoot them right at the bottom of the ear canal. These two shots are instant death if you are using correct ammo.

The old MYTH that bullets will slide off a bear’s skull is pure hogwash when using modern ammo featuring bullets that will not mushroom when fired out of a powerful handgun. When using high powered rifles, it is OK if the bullet mushrooms as the high velocity of the rifle bullet will puncture the bear's skull regardless, because of its high velocity. 150 years ago, when the early settlers were heading west, the muzzle loaders they used, fired pure lead (very soft) round balls that would or could flatten out against bone and possibly slide off, leaving only a surface wound, when hitting a bears head. Unless you are using pure lead bullets that are rounded, this situation is no longer a concern.

BLACK BEARS

➤  Black bears are very different mentally, than grizzly bears. Black bears come in red, brown, blonde, and black color phases, but they are all black bear species and should be considered “black bears” regardless of color phase. While black bears have much the same physical qualities (normally smaller) of grizzly bears, they GENERALLY have a much different mindset.

➤  To stop black bears, all you have to do is hurt them; you do not need to kill them. Almost any centerfire handgun cartridge will dissuade a black bear if you hit them well with it. The more powerful the cartridge, the more damage you’ll potentially do to the bear, but nearly any black bear will turn tail if he is hit with a cartridge such as good stiff 9mm loads. I know this argues against prevailing wisdom, but the prevailing wisdom is based mostly on speculation, not real world experience and is not really wisdom.

We make “Bear Loads” in Smaller Chamberings such as the following:

★  (Item 24F) -- 9MM +P+ PENETRATOR
★  (Item 24L) -- 9MM +P OUTDOORSMAN
★  (Item 20H) -- 38 SPL +P OUTDOORSMAN
★  (Item 19A) -- HEAVY 357 MAG OUTDOORSMAN
★  (Item 23F) -- 40 S&W OUTDOORTSMAN Std Pressure Low Flash
★  (Item 21C) -- HEAVY 10MM OUTDOORSMAN

We do this because a lot of people own those guns and don’t want to buy a 454 Casull or 44 mag. I would have no problem defending myself against a black bear attack (and have done so) with the proper 9MM ammo. I prefer a more powerful/bigger cartridge, but the 9MM will get it done, even on grizzlies, if you take their brain with a flat nosed, non-expanding bullet. Of course, making a brain shot under such duress will take practice and cool nerves.

OUTFITTING FOR GRIZZLIES

HANDGUNS

I hike, ride horses, hunt, and fish in grizzly country. When relying on a handgun, I carry a 500 Linebaugh or 475 Linebaugh with heavy hard cast, flat nosed bullets. It hammers grizzlies. Such a revolver weighs no more than a standard Ruger BlackHawk, but has the killing power of a moderately powerful rifle cartridge. I find the big heavy X frame revolvers (500 S&W and 460 S&W) too heavy for hiking in steep country all day, but they do possess incredible power. However, if I am going to carry a handgun that weighs 5+ pounds, I’d just as soon carry a 6-pound rifle chambered in 45-70 that has a longer sight radius, more power and is shoulder mounted.

RIFLES
45-70

If I carry a rifle in grizzly country, which I do often, I carry a lever action 45-70 for summer horse pack trips, hikes and fishing excursions. I load it with one of the following Buffalo Bore items:

★  (Item 8A) -- 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo - 430 gr. LBT-LFN
★  (Item 8B) -- 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo - 405 gr. JFN
★  (Item 8C) -- 45-70 Magnum - Lever Gun Ammo - 350 gr. J.F.N.
★  (Item 8H) -- 45-70 Low Recoil - Standard Pressure - Full Power - 430 gr. LBT-LFN
★  (Item 8I)  -- 45-70 Low Recoil - Standard Pressure - Full Power - 405 gr. JHP 
★  (Item 8J)  -- 45-70 Low Recoil - Standard Pressure - Full Power - 350 gr. JHP

All six of these 45-70 loads will flatten grizzlies. I carry a revolver chambered in 500 Linebaugh too, along with the rifle. The handgun stays on my person in a shoulder holster and the rifle stays on the horse or in camp unless I am feeling the need to have it in my hands, which does and has happened and has kept me from being injured/killed more than once. I have used both revolvers and rifles on bears, several times.

338 WIN MAG

When I elk hunt in grizzly country, I normally use a 338 Win. Mag. With proper ammo, the 338 Win Mag. is a decisive grizzly stopper. See the following items:

★  (Item 52A) -- BUFFALO-BARNES PREMIUM LEAD-FREE 338 WIN. MAG. SUPERCHARGED - 250 gr. Barnes TSX 
★  (Item 52B) -- BUFFALO-BARNES PREMIUM LEAD-FREE 338 WIN. MAG. SUPERCHARGED - 225 gr. Barnes TSX
★  (Item 52D) -- BUFFALO-BARNES PREMIUM LEAD-FREE 338 WIN. MAG. SUPERCHARGED - 210 gr. Barnes TTSX 

HUMAN LIFE

There are many in our society who believe the life of an animal has equal or greater value than that of a human. I disagree. A bear is a wild animal, that when not threatening human life, is a wonderful sight. However, when I encounter bears that act aggressively by popping their teeth, woofing, swinging their head from side to side, charging, etc. I shoot them. I do not give them a prolonged chance to kill my wife, children, myself or anyone that is with me. When I encounter bears (which I do several times per year) that run at my sight or smell, they are safe from me because I know I am safe from them. When they show aggression to humans, it is irresponsible to let them live as they will eventually permanently harm or kill someone. I don’t care that our governmental wildlife agencies are protecting bears. They are generally misguided in this tactic. The notion that bears are a spiritual, magical life form that has value over human life, is a point of view that not only comes from the typical tree hugger groups/mindset, but it is coming from various fish and game agencies, more and more often. I choose to protect human life over animal life, period.  The notion that bears were here before us and therefore have rights to maul us is not only untrue but even if it was true, I am here NOW and assert my right to be so.

BEAR AGGRESSION & ATTACKS

Bear aggression and attacks are far more common that most fish and game agencies want to report. In 2011, in Montana, there were seven REPORTED grizzly attacks on humans. Some of them were fatal to the human. Others simply mauled the human, who recovered from injuries. There were doubtless more attacks, but they happened to capable and prepared individuals who simply killed the bear and walked away, never wanting the problems that come with reporting the incident to “authorities”. I’ve had more scrapes with black bears than I have with grizzlies, but that is probably because there are a lot more black bears in the woods. Do not let yourself be misled by fish and game agencies that claim “black bears are not dangerous” or likewise about grizzlies.

SHORT STORY

A short story will best explain; many years ago, when I lived up Carmen Creek, in Idaho, early one fall, the neighbors were plagued with a threatening and marauding black bear. (This is a very rural area and “neighbors” means people who live within 4-5 miles) He would eat their dog’s food, tear up their apple trees, tip over garbage cans, chase their dogs and even chase people into their houses. Numerous people in the area were scared of him and had been threatened by him. One of my neighbors had blasted him in the butt with bird shot (12 ga.) and that seemed to make him more irritated…..This neighbor (A lady) did it with good intentions, but she did the wrong thing….I explained to her that if she was going to shoot a bear, she needed to do it with lethal intentions and not mess around. He was a large 300lb.+ black/dark brown color phase boar, with no fear of humans. My first encounter with him happened as I was jogging down Carmen Creek Road…..He was standing in the middle of the road as I rounded a corner in my shorts and tank top. He would not move for me, stood in the road and growled repeatedly. I was unarmed and lightly clothed and felt extremely vulnerable. A vehicle rounded the corner and he then moved out-of-the-way begrudgingly for the car and kept growling as he went. I realized how dangerous this bear was and wanted to “take care” of that bear legally, BEFORE anyone was hurt or killed, so I called our local Fish & Game office. They would not give me permission to kill him unless I had a bear tag. (I had already filled my bear tag for that year)

I explained that the bear was eventually going to hurt someone and the officer on the phone told me that if he did hurt someone, they would come out and trap the bear……..I explained that once someone is hurt or killed, it is too late for that person or family and if that officer ever got his ass out of a chair while waiting for his 20 year retirement, he would not need such things explained to him……..realizing how futile my attempt at community service and common sense was, by going through legal Fish & Game channels, I gave up on doing things legally. That bear was dead within 12 hours of that phone call and my neighbors were once again safe in their own yards. In the following days, many people assumed I had something to do with the bears’ disappearance and thanked me. I had no animus for this bear or any bear, but I was able to recognize what type of bear he was and what the risk to innocent people was…….the problem/danger got taken care of. Pretty simple solution!  For more inclusive information on stopping bears, you may want to read this Trail and Camp Guns article.

INFORMED & PREPARED = NO FEAR

There is no need to be afraid of bears, but there is a great reason to be informed and prepared. For those who don’t feel the need to be prepared in bear country, that is your right, but what about your obligation to protect your loved ones and others who rely on you? Every time I see an interview with a wildlife official explaining away a recent fatal bear attack, they ALWAYS say something to the effect of “such bear attacks are extremely rare bla, bla, bla”. Truth is that bear attacks are not all that rare if you spend time in bear country and even if such attacks were rare, the person that has just experienced one, had a 100% chance of being attacked, no?

Hopefully, this short article is of some use to our customers and friends.

God bless,
Tim


10. Why is the shipping cost for 1 or 2 boxes of ammunition so high?

We absolutely agree that the shipping price on 1 box of ammo is exorbitant, however, please understand that it costs us almost as much to ship 1 box of ammo as it does to ship 12 boxes of ammo.

There are two reasons for this:
 1. First, federal laws mandate that we ship ammo via ground only (no PO Boxeswe have to do a Federal Registration and Marking of the shipment as ORM-D and this is where the bulk of the absurd shipping costs occur; however, we can get up to 12 boxes of ammo in a single shipping carton which only requires one Federal ORM-D Registration and this is partially why we offer Free Shipping on any assortment of 12 Boxes or more of our ammo.
 
2. Second, we are remotely tucked away high up in the Rocky Mountains of Idaho and UPS has to charge more than its normal, customary fees to make it all the way up to our factory every work day.
 
This is also why we post the following caution on our Home Page.

PLEASE NOTE:  It costs almost as much to ship 1 box of ammo as it does 10 boxes.  The more boxes you order, the less your shipping costs will be per box of ammo and if you order 12 or more boxes of any mix of ammo at retail pricing, we will ship your ammo for free.