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I often get asked about what is the best ammo/load choice (in any given cartridge) for “Deer and Hogs”. In fact I get asked this so often, that I decided to write this short essay on the subject.

In most areas that have hunt-able populations of both deer and hogs, those deer are whitetails, which are generally thin bodied (usually 150 lbs.) when compared to some of our Idaho 300+ lb. mule deer, but hogs in those whitetail-inhabited areas can reach 600+ lbs.. So, not only is there a wide discrepancy in the potential size of “Deer and Hogs” in those areas that have both, but “Deer and Hogs”, especially if we are talking about large Hogs, are built very differently.

Older and bigger boars have gristle plate under their skin that protects their chest area from damage when fighting other big tusked boars—this armor plating also does a good job of limiting the penetration of soft expanding bullets, which are exactly the type of bullet that work so well on thin bodied whitetails. Never mind that the older and bigger a boar gets; his skin also gets thicker and tougher. Further, these big old boars get densely muscled and their bones get thick—with their thick build and low center of gravity, they are simply built very differently than taller thin bodied whitetail deer. Big boars need a deep penetrating bullet that will not mushroom too soon along its terminal path, thus limiting penetration needed to destroy organs that are hiding behind that gristle plate, thick skin, heavy muscle and big bones.

Whitetail deer are thin bodied and thin skinned and if you want to drop them quickly, a rapidly expanding bullet, that will not encounter huge bones or massive muscle is all you need, in fact such a bullet does more damage along its short terminal path than a tougher/less expanding bullet, but on a big, tough hog, such a fragile bullet may never penetrate deeply enough to kill.


The issue with using two different types of ammo when you are simultaneously hunting two species is that more-than-likely, the two very different loads will not shoot to the same point of impact in the same rifle. You will always be readjusting your sights and you may find yourself deer hunting when you see inadvertently hogzilla and have no time to re-sight your rifle.


My solution to this problem, has always been to sight in with the deep penetrating hog load and simply carry and use that one load exclusively as it will kill whitetails too, but if you line them up correctly, it may kill three of them with one shot, so be careful, as we’ve actually seen this happen. The deep penetrating hog load may not kill a whitetail as quickly as the fragile, violently mushrooming bullet, but within a few seconds more, the deep penetrating load will kill any whitetail just as dead and will hammer big hogs when you shoot one.

Hopefully this article is thought provoking and useful to our customers and friends.


Friends and Customers, 08-18-20


All shooters are being inconvenienced with what is happening to our society and the rush it is causing on ammo supplies. We have LOTS of ammo in stock and are making more at a huge volume on a daily basis. If our web site allows you to order any item, that means it is in stock—WE DO NOT TAKE ORDERS FOR ITEMS WE DO NOT HAVE! So, please do not email and ask if items are in stock. If they aren’t, the shopping cart will not take your order.

We have hundreds of customers to get orders to on a daily basis. In order for us to accomplish this for our customers, we ask the following.

  1. Be sure of what you are ordering. You are going to get what you ordered.

  2. Do not contact us and ask to change an order you’ve already placed. When we manually change orders it requires a lot of time that we do not have during this rush and it keeps us from serving all of our customers. If you’d like to change an order, we can no longer do that till things slow down, so simply place another order for more product, but PLEASE, NO MORE CHANGES after the fact!

  3. We NEVER have and never will take ammo exchanges or returns and then turn around and re-sale that ammo to unsuspecting customers as factory new ammo—this is not safe nor is it fair to customers who are buying what they think is new and safe ammo. No ammo is tamper proof! So please stop asking to exchange or get a refund for ammo you ordered, but have changed your mind about.

  4. Please do not contact us and ask for tracking numbers or “when will my ammo ship”? Our system automatically emails out tracking numbers on the orders we ship each day, however, because these emails are coming from a corporation shopping cart, many of these emails may go to your spam folder……..please look there. If it is not in your spam folder, that means we have not yet shipped. At current order rates, we are shipping within 5-7 business days of the time an internet order is placed. Please sit tight. Your ammo will arrive at the same time if you track it or not and will certainly arrive later if we are swamped answering questions instead of getting orders shipped. When 30-50 people per day send emails asking for tracking information and we have to pull that information up, then type it out and email it, it takes a huge portion of our work day that we should be using to ship those orders to customers in need. Please leave us alone so we can serve all of you. (ship to you) It’s a bit selfish, during times of shortages, when so many folks need to protect their families, to slow us down because you ordered carelessly or want to change your order. Right now, we expect you to do your part to help us all get the ammo we need in our troubled country.

These measures are hopefully temporary and will not be needed for long as we enjoy the interaction with our customers, so please, for the time being, be mindful of all those others who are also trying to get ammo during what I think is a societal meltdown/emergency. Hopefully, we can serve you all. We want you and your families to be armed and safe and we wish you the best during these trying times. My biggest concern is that things will worsen yet more, for a while. Until things straighten out in our government and society, we will have to streamline our customer service in order to serve all customers. Thank you for your understanding.

Good shooting and God bless,

Tim Sundles

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